front bags on 86 <-- New

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Ok, i have never baged a toyota before.
What that out of the way...........................
I need to know what is a good bag for the front and what is the best way to mount them?
Via SD's kit, pre made one that is made to fit or what else.

i need help before i slap cash around and find out that i should not have bought something that is gimped.

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these are the mounts that i'm thinking of getting.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOYOTA-1 ... 1c0fa4d629
Anyone ever used/installed these before?

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these are the back brackets, these i'm not to sure of. theye look like they might not hold up to good
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-M ... 2eaa641d86

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I have a bagged 88 ( 84-88) are the same.
First off you need to plan all out very well so not doing double work = $$$$$ & time!
Lay out a plan of what you want,too lay frame, ride quality,parts quality,cost,etc.
Make a good parts list ,parts wanted ,part numbers,cost,availability. Research all the forms, articles,how too, then go from there !
Do things the right way & don't cut cornners. If you stick to this plan,you will end up with a great ride ,that will be safe & last!!
With that said,good luck with your project. And I did not want over the axle bags ,or convoluted bags in the rear as poor ride quality. Would recommend sleeve type bags & in front of or behind the axle!
Forward linked opposed to rearward or 50%-50% ( front facing/rear facing)

Gary/Truck Action

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when i bought my 86, it had the same front mounts as the ones you posted. they worked find, but kinda limit the travel. the truck could hop about 8" off the ground in the front with 1/2" valves and they held up fine.

it also had the bag on axle, using the same as the axle side mounts you posted, but the previous owner built a half ass bridge for the top mounts. besides barely being welded on they worked fine as well.

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when i bought my 86, it had the same front mounts as the ones you posted. they worked find, but kinda limit the travel. the truck could hop about 8" off the ground in the front with 1/2" valves and they held up fine.

it also had the bag on axle, using the same as the axle side mounts you posted, but the previous owner built a half ass bridge for the top mounts. besides barely being welded on they worked fine as well.

How low would it go in the front with them mounts?

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I have a bagged 88 ( 84-88) are the same.
First off you need to plan all out very well so not doing double work = $$$$$ & time!
Lay out a plan of what you want,too lay frame, ride quality,parts quality,cost,etc.
Make a good parts list ,parts wanted ,part numbers,cost,availability. Research all the forms, articles,how too, then go from there !
Do things the right way & don't cut cornners. If you stick to this plan,you will end up with a great ride ,that will be safe & last!!
With that said,good luck with your project. And I did not want over the axle bags ,or convoluted bags in the rear as poor ride quality. Would recommend sleeve type bags & in front of or behind the axle!
Forward linked opposed to rearward or 50%-50% ( front facing/rear facing)

Gary/Truck Action

yea, i think your 88 it prob. one of the best looking ones around.
i've been trying to come up with a good list of parts and hows too's, but there again. thats where i need help.
I found a half way ho too on the minitruckin' web site on bagged toyota but it would be nice to have a better break down on all the steps. http://www.minitruckinweb.com/tech/susp ... index.html

Do you have a build thread on your truck????

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Gary, if you have any pics of your front set-up that i can look at that would be cool.

[burnzya]

How low would it go in the front with them mounts?

the front would lay engine crossmember. they had actually took a bit of it off while dragging the front (frame wasn't z'd). the brackets limit the lift. the upper control arm would hit the bag bracket at about 6" of lift, before the bag had a chance to go to fully extended.

bagging the front of a torsion truck is really pretty basic. you can buy the "torsion bag bracket" kits from suicide doors and several other places. then just weld the bottom plate to the lower control arm, and clearance the stock suspension so the bag won't rub (only minor trimming really) the get the upper bag plate set in place. then add the gussets and you're all set.

****if your not sure how it's done, it might be a good idea to either have it done by someone experienced in welding and fabrication, or try to find someone local who's done an install (properly ). once you see first hand how it's done, you'll understand just how basic the process is! ****

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also, the way the torsion kits are designed, they all can potentially limit the lift, due to the upper control arm hitting the bracket, just like the bolt on kits. you can get around it a bit by mounting the bag closer to the pivot of the lower control arm (you'll need to trim more of the original engine/suspension x-member), or buy/make some tubular upper control arms.

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I have a bagged '86 that was previously bagged in '97. I have bag over axle in the rear and it rides great but it doesn't get a lot of lift. Now the front gets good lift but you'll definately have to z the frame to lay out. I just cut the wheel wells out in the front so now the engine crossmember finally lays. Good Luck!

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E-mail me & I'll send photo's & suppliers,also info on Seths ( Twisted Mini's) modified front a-arms & his site. The cross member has to go to lay frame,z'ing allows complete frame on the ground,I did not do this ,1/2'' is good by me!.Tubular or modified a-arms will allow better movement/travel,without any binding
This is what I mean by planing,you have to have a direction /goal you want to see!
Wheel size you want to use is one of the main things to consider!
Inner wheel wells must go away,front & rear! Tubing the firewall may be needed!
There's a lot to consider before just jumping into this !

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I'm buying 2-2500lb. & 2-2600lb Denominator II Air Bags and the S.D. front bag mounts.
Still looking for a good pump with out dishing out 300.00.
As fare as wheels, I'm staying with 14's. 175-65R-14. with just the tires alone it will lower truck 1.25".
I'm having all the welding and cutting done by a guy here that does very top knotch work on mini trucks.

As fare as z"ing the frame any pics would be good.
The one thing i'm wondering about is the ability to turn when riding low.
I have hurd of linkage binding and hitting frame and such.

gary i sent you my info.

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ok i spent 402.00 today on parts
(2) d2500
(2) d2600
(1) viair 350 100% comp. (made a offer 150.00) should have started offer at 100.00
(1) set of f. brackets from S.D.

heres the links

bags- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 0455174005

comp - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ViAir-35 ... 3ef7b8de41

brackets - http://www.suicidedoors.com/bag-bracket ... ag-bracket

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Photo's just sent